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Re: Some Brexit

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Sat May 25, 2019 8:34 am

Doctor Congo wrote:The dismal truth is there is no one in the Conservative Party with even a modicum of honesty or decency.


Ken Clarke is probably the only one, but he's about 100. This is going to be difficult.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Doctor Congo @ Sat May 25, 2019 8:47 am

manfromdelmonte wrote:
Doctor Congo wrote:The dismal truth is there is no one in the Conservative Party with even a modicum of honesty or decency.


Ken Clarke is probably the only one, but he's about 100. This is going to be difficult.


True. He’s so alternative to the Tories I almost think he’s from a different party.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Sat May 25, 2019 9:26 am

There are, quite a few. I'm friends with a privy counselor from another party and he agrees with that. But the frontrunners , not so much
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Doctor Congo @ Sat May 25, 2019 12:02 pm

Dirk wrote:There are, quite a few. I'm friends with a privy counselor from another party and he agrees with that. But the frontrunners , not so much


Really? Who?
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by CJ+ @ Sat May 25, 2019 2:45 pm

All the prospective candidates are turds, but at least Rory Stewart isn't a turd containing broken glass and asbestos.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by desertweasel @ Sat May 25, 2019 4:59 pm

CJ+ wrote:All the prospective candidates are turds, but at least Rory Stewart isn't a turd containing broken glass and asbestos.


Rory Stewart is getting bandied around on twitter but the consensus seems to be that he is far too sensible to ever win
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by DI Burnside @ Sat May 25, 2019 7:42 pm

Bloke in the pub this afternoon grunting about the European elections:

“I voted for Farage, we’ve got to send a message. Do you know all fire extinguishers are red now, it’s madness !”

I didn’t question him on who he was sending a message to, sat as he was in his hi-viz work trousers and sandals.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Doctor Congo @ Sat May 25, 2019 8:45 pm

desertweasel wrote:
CJ+ wrote:All the prospective candidates are turds, but at least Rory Stewart isn't a turd containing broken glass and asbestos.


Rory Stewart is getting bandied around on twitter but the consensus seems to be that he is far too sensible to ever win


Thing is, in every in every interview he gives, he comes across as a mealy mouthed, nasal, turd. In a way I hope Boris becomes leader as it’ll be the death of the tories. With any luck they’ll fragment into a far right lunatic party and the moderates will leave and perhaps join changeuk or Lib Dem’s.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Clown Ice Skater #4 @ Sun May 26, 2019 12:06 am

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Re: Some Brexit

Post by desertweasel @ Sun May 26, 2019 8:25 am

Doctor Congo wrote:
desertweasel wrote:
CJ+ wrote:All the prospective candidates are turds, but at least Rory Stewart isn't a turd containing broken glass and asbestos.


Rory Stewart is getting bandied around on twitter but the consensus seems to be that he is far too sensible to ever win


Thing is, in every in every interview he gives, he comes across as a mealy mouthed, nasal, turd. In a way I hope Boris becomes leader as it’ll be the death of the tories. With any luck they’ll fragment into a far right lunatic party and the moderates will leave and perhaps join changeuk or Lib Dem’s.


Truly Boris is the leader the Tories deserve, there was a picture of him dining with Farage on Friday, wonder what kind of shitstorm those two are cooking up.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by CJ+ @ Mon May 27, 2019 9:29 am

Tommy RobinsonStephen Yaxley-Lennon has lost his deposit, polling 2.2% of the vote in his constituency :D
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Mon May 27, 2019 10:41 am

He spent £5k touring the North West and having milkshakes thrown at him. Haha, prick
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Greg66 @ Mon May 27, 2019 11:30 am

Negatives: Farage. Leave. Half of PH is running round like dogs with two dicks.

Positive: Some of the Labour front bench (Watson, Thornberry) are not so subtly turning their fire on Corbyn.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Mon May 27, 2019 12:38 pm

Leave/Brexit/Farage was always going to win. Most people (<50% turnout again?) don’t really care about EU but the ones that really do (on both sides) are the type which vote in big numbers. Brexit 1st, LibDem 2nd, SNP dominating Scotland.

It’s funny/depressing that a party which ran with literally no manifesto can gain so many votes. It’s like the Groot party.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Mon May 27, 2019 12:44 pm

Labour lost in Islington. The man is utterly deaf.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Tue May 28, 2019 9:21 am

6,085,174 people signed the petition to revoke article 50.

5,248,533 people voted for the Brexit Party.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by minimoog @ Tue May 28, 2019 9:22 am

Given that all the Labour MEPs just elected have campaigned to remain, more pro-EU UK MEPs were elected than pro-Brexit.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Deuteronomy @ Tue May 28, 2019 10:21 am

minimoog wrote:Given that all the Labour MEPs just elected have campaigned to remain, more pro-EU UK MEPs were elected than pro-Brexit.


A larger share of the vote when to pro-remain than pro-leave - yet the headlines are all about Farage and "a clear mandate to get on with it"


FFS.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Tue May 28, 2019 11:25 am

I'm not convinced.

Can you assume all people voting Labour are remainers- I doubt it
Similarly can't assume all Tory voters are Brexiteers

Or vice versa. If you assume splits are even then Leavers are on top. Worryingly.

I don't say that is a clear mandate to leave, but it there is more argument for that than a clear argument for Remain.

I believe we should have another referendum
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Deuteronomy @ Tue May 28, 2019 11:39 am

Dirk wrote:I'm not convinced.

Can you assume all people voting Labour are remainers- I doubt it
Similarly can't assume all Tory voters are Brexiteers

Or vice versa. If you assume splits are even then Leavers are on top. Worryingly.

I don't say that is a clear mandate to leave, but it there is more argument for that than a clear argument for Remain.

I believe we should have another referendum


The numbers don't include Lab or Con, 3rd chart down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131

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Re: Some Brexit

Post by minimoog @ Tue May 28, 2019 11:40 am

Dirk wrote:I'm not convinced.

Can you assume all people voting Labour are remainers- I doubt it
Similarly can't assume all Tory voters are Brexiteers


No-one is assuming that.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by ttwiggy @ Tue May 28, 2019 11:45 am

Interesting lecture on R4 this morning by Jonathan Sumption. Essentially on why referendum's are a very bad idea as they make no allowance for the 'losing' side. Which leads to a large group of unhappy people and ultimately no legitimacy to the State.

linky here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Tue May 28, 2019 12:22 pm

But take out SNP and Plaid who, like Tories and Labour are not a single issue party so you can't assume that their voters support remain then it is a different story. Or if not then you have to count Tory and Labour party voters are Leave voters because their official policy is implementing the referendum - i.e. leave

Either side can twist the stats to make their case quite easilty
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by ttwiggy @ Tue May 28, 2019 1:59 pm

Lots of people seem to believe that Farage's new party could decide the balance of power in the event of a GE. Which might mean that a right-wing racist nutjob from a minority party, who has failed to get elected by normal means, might end up running the country. Does anyone else see some alarming parallels from history?
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Tue May 28, 2019 2:03 pm

He won't get PM

Qualification for saying this: I predicted Remain would win Referendum
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Greg66 @ Tue May 28, 2019 2:49 pm

ttwiggy wrote:Interesting lecture on R4 this morning by Jonathan Sumption. Essentially on why referendum's are a very bad idea as they make no allowance for the 'losing' side. Which leads to a large group of unhappy people and ultimately no legitimacy to the State.

linky here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9


Thanks Twigs. I will give that a listen and even though I haven’t done so yet recommend others do. Sumption is genuinely one of the cleverest minds of his generation. And a few since.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by ttwiggy @ Tue May 28, 2019 2:59 pm

Greg66 wrote:
ttwiggy wrote:Interesting lecture on R4 this morning by Jonathan Sumption. Essentially on why referendum's are a very bad idea as they make no allowance for the 'losing' side. Which leads to a large group of unhappy people and ultimately no legitimacy to the State.

linky here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9


Thanks Twigs. I will give that a listen and even though I haven’t done so yet recommend others do. Sumption is genuinely one of the cleverest minds of his generation. And a few since.


The one on this morning was 2/5 (in praise of Politicians).
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by minimoog @ Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:09 am

Jesus Christ

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Re: Some Brexit

Post by S1K @ Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:31 am

Looks like it’s time to remove the “and Unionist” from their name
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:45 am

That’s a horrid read. So much tunnel vision. We’re leaping off this cliff even if there are rocks at the bottom.
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