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Re: Some Brexit

Post by tanglerat @ Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:28 pm

Il Duce wrote:
tanglerat wrote:I've just had to defend you, my British chums, in a conversation with a fairly intelligent and well informed friend.

He described your country as now being a tinpot dictatorship banana republic. I had to correct him by pointing out you're not yet a republic as long as you have your monarchy.


They don't have any bananas.


Yes they have no bananas.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:22 pm

tanglerat wrote:I've just had to defend you, my British chums, in a conversation with a fairly intelligent and well informed friend.

He described your country as now being a tinpot dictatorship banana republic. I had to correct him by pointing out you're not yet a republic as long as you have your monarchy.

Don’t laugh too hard, we still own you.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:02 am

I do wonder how far this legal case for making Boris ask for an extension will go

Boris asks
EU: he didn't ask properly
UK court: ask again and say please this time. And this time don't call them cretinous corrupt Mugwumps.
Boris asks again
EU: say pretty please
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by S1K @ Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:39 am

Amber Rudd has resigned from the cabinet and the Conservative party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by CJ+ @ Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:09 am

S1K wrote:Amber Rudd has resigned from the cabinet and the Conservative party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

I'd like to think that this represents BoJo entering a state that we scientists call "comprehensively, 360-degree, full-spectrum fcuked", but given that politics these days seems to exist via a wormhole into an alternate bizarro universe, I wouldn't bet on it.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Doctor Congo @ Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:29 am

CJ+ wrote:
S1K wrote:Amber Rudd has resigned from the cabinet and the Conservative party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

I'd like to think that this represents BoJo entering a state that we scientists call "comprehensively, 360-degree, full-spectrum fcuked", but given that politics these days seems to exist via a wormhole into an alternate bizarro universe, I wouldn't bet on it.



Indeed. Given that’s she’s pivoted position more times than a spinning top, it’ll be spun as not a surprise by Cummings. However I’m glad to see the Conservatives disintegrating. One hopes a more progressive and centrist party will emerge from the ruins.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:55 am

Doctor Congo wrote: progressive

An aside but I hate how that word has been appropriated by the left to mean anything they believe in, and by implication anything else as reactionary whether or not that is true. Excellent spin and marketing on their behalf, but irritating.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Greg66 @ Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:08 am

Dirk wrote:
Doctor Congo wrote: progressive

An aside but I hate how that word has been appropriated by the left to mean anything they believe in, and by implication anything else as reactionary whether or not that is true. Excellent spin and marketing on their behalf, but irritating.


Agree. Similarly “liberal”, which has been appropriated by the right to become a term of utter contempt and a proxy for anything that they don’t like.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Clown Ice Skater #4 @ Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:13 am

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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:51 pm

thekungfury wrote:UPDATED: Government defeats by MPs for each Prime Minister
Thatcher - 4 in 11 years
Major - 6 in 7 years
Blair - 4 in 10 years
Brown - 3 in 3 years
Cameron - 10 in 6 years
May - 33 in 3 years
Johnson - 3 in 24 hours

Make that 5

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Re: Some Brexit

Post by CJ+ @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:25 am

Six.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Greg66 @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:34 pm

Has he won any votes, or is that six losses on the bounce?
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Monty @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:01 pm

Six on the bounce!
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:56 pm

1) If we get this 3 month extension to leaving, what do MPs intend to do with it? They have already voted against a referndum, May's deal and every other option. Has anything changed?

2) Aren't MPs making a disporportionate fuss about the progation closing parliament for 5 weeks when it would only normally been 4 days less because it closes for conference season
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by ttwiggy @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:00 pm

I imagine it gives time for Boris to come back with a backstop-fudged May deal, run it up the flag pole and see if it gets saluted. If so, out we go with a deal. If not, it's a GE, but without the risk of us leaving sans deal before the polls open.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Paul H @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:23 pm

We need to see the Operation Yellowhammer papers: the Government's prediction of what will happen in the event of No Deal brexit. For some reason they seem reluctant to share them...
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by ttwiggy @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:31 pm

if they had any balls they'd make them public - get every paper and online news outlet to carry them - and then say 'right. Here are the facts. This isn't project fear. Now we're going to run the referendum again, Leave or Remain, with Leave being 'no deal' as nobody can agree on what a deal should look like. Over to you lot again.'
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Greg66 @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:35 pm

Dirk wrote:1) If we get this 3 month extension to leaving, what do MPs intend to do with it? They have already voted against a referndum, May's deal and every other option. Has anything changed?

2) Aren't MPs making a disporportionate fuss about the progation closing parliament for 5 weeks when it would only normally been 4 days less because it closes for conference season


1) Quite. One could imagine once an extension has been agreed the Opposition screaming for a GE and the Govt saying no: the complete opposite of the position today. Alice in Wonderland stuff. It is also surreal that Boris wants and election to (one assumes) have the electorate express its wish on Brexit, but is unwilling to have a second ref to allow the electorate to, err, express its wish on Brexit.

2). Yes, massively. But the optics of this are nonetheless terrible.

We look utterly dysfunctional at the moment. At the least the US Govt functions, even if it has Trump at the helm.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Greg66 wrote:
Dirk wrote:2) Aren't MPs making a disporportionate fuss about the progation closing parliament for 5 weeks when it would only normally been 4 days less because it closes for conference season

2). Yes, massively. But the optics of this are nonetheless terrible.

I disagree. These are extraordinary circumstances. They fcuked off on holiday on 25th July, came back last Tuesday for 3 days then took Friday off. Back for a couple of days then off until 14th Oct. Between the end of July and Halloween Commons will have sat for fewer than 20 days.

Can you imagine any other job which would allow that with a deadline looming?

Dirk wrote:1) If we get this 3 month extension to leaving, what do MPs intend to do with it? They have already voted against a referndum, May's deal and every other option. Has anything changed?

Based on past experience they'll do absolutely nothing. Depressing.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Dirk @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:42 pm

Agreed that is bizarre Teeks. But without Boris' prorogation it would only have been 4 more.

If they all really wanted to put nation above party they would all cancel their conferences and work. But they won't. And even if they did they probably wouldn't get any further.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Strawman @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:08 pm

Prorogation is not the same as suspension, under prorogation all comittees are closed and all bills not yet passed are quahed, such as the new bill against domestic violence, this was due to be passed before Theresa May called the disasterous time wasting election in 2017 so the second time it won't be passed. 5 weeks of prorogation is unprecendented in the modern era, please don't fall for the obvious lie that it is only four more days.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Strawman @ Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:17 pm

People who would have to leave an EU country post new EU tax laws which come into effect Jan 2020

Names leaked from the Paradise Papers who will need to be living in a non-EU country before the Jan 2020 tax directive kicks in:

Rees-Mogg.

Aaron Banks.

Barclay Brothers (Telegraph)

Andrea Leadsom's husband & brother in law.

Obviously there are more, these were leaked.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by CJ+ @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:09 am

It'll be fine, trust us. You don't need to worry your pretty little heads about what might go wrong.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1171691247351795712
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Strawman @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:19 am

Scottish court rules suspension of parliament is unlawfull

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by thekungfury @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:34 am

I suspect a Scottish court has no say in what parliament can/can’t do?
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Strawman @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:45 am

Obviously the government will appeal this decision in the supreme court, but since there are Scottish MP's a Scottish court is a relevant place to bring an initial appeal. (or we'v the legal jargon is).
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Doctor Congo @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:20 pm

Strawman wrote:Obviously the government will appeal this decision in the supreme court, but since there are Scottish MP's a Scottish court is a relevant place to bring an initial appeal. (or we'v the legal jargon is).


Apparently the Scottish court that heard this case is the highest authority to have done so in the UK, apart from the supreme court.

One thing being discussed today is the possibility of a backstop being only NI rather than the whole UK. I thought the DUP/ERG had pointblank refused this option as it would lead to NI being separate from the rest of the union? How can they be happy to accept it now?
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Frik @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:49 pm

Does it matter? Given the numbers they don't have as much power over the Tories than they did.
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Paul H @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:54 pm

Paul H wrote:We need to see the Operation Yellowhammer papers: the Government's prediction of what will happen in the event of No Deal brexit. For some reason they seem reluctant to share them...


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ns_CDL.pdf

"The reasonable worst case scenario"
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Re: Some Brexit

Post by Strawman @ Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:57 pm

Doctor Congo wrote:
Strawman wrote:Obviously the government will appeal this decision in the supreme court, but since there are Scottish MP's a Scottish court is a relevant place to bring an initial appeal. (or we'v the legal jargon is).


Apparently the Scottish court that heard this case is the highest authority to have done so in the UK, apart from the supreme court.

One thing being discussed today is the possibility of a backstop being only NI rather than the whole UK.


That was the initial EU proposal, because Theresa May was beholden to the DUP she changed it to a UK wide proposal, now Mr. Johnson has utterly fcuked his majority beyond the horizon, it's back on the table in a theoretical sense, but now the courts have decided Mr. Johnson has lied to the Queen it's all Moot, plus Yellowhammer has beeen relaeased in redacted and reduced form, hopefully that is gameover and politics returns to a who cares status quo.
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